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Spoilers posted to a House comm are bad. I do not disagree with this. There are rules on most comms about posting spoilers for unaired, incompletely aired (time zone thing) and recently aired episodes for a reason. In the absence of rules, one would like to think there are common things called sense and courtesy

Now, let us say for the sake of argument that some Easterner has posted full frontal spoilers for an ep that hasn't aired in the West yet. Oh, my. Bad newbie, no cookie!

However, does breaking a rule about cutting spoilers put all rules for civil behavior on pause? Vicious, profane, definitely flaming attacks on the individual become OK?

I pitch my tent in three camps:

1. Don't feed the trolls. (If "newbie" was really "troll," s/he just got fed beyond the most fevered dreams of gluttony.)

2. Help the helpless. (If someone needs teaching on how to cut a spoiler and delete other posts? At minimum, the response should be a link to the LJ FAQ)

3. If one cares enough about not being spoiled to post things like "I can't watch now!" or "I'll never feel safe here again!" or "we all wish you were dead!" or "[expletives totally deleted]" then I think one should seriously consider avoiding all media outlets related to the subject until one has seen the eps. Seriously. Idiocy happens, maliciously or innocently.

Just sayin', is all. Life's too short for the kind of wank I peeked in on at [livejournal.com profile] house_wilson this evening.

Date: 2006-09-13 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gategrrl.livejournal.com
I agree with that last statement (and number two, as well). But mostly, if you're the type who goes batshit over spoilers for your favoritest show, and you're on the West Coast, DON'T LOG ONTO THE INTERNET until after your show has aired HERE.

People who are so all-fired up about spoilers really need to realize, Spoilers Are the Way now, they're everywhere - you have to regulate yourself; you can't regulate others.

I think there's a special breed of spoilerphobes who are that way because of a paucity of imagination. They can't use their imaginations to spin the spoilers out and "forget" them for the time being. I do know others who are spoiler-avoidance mostly because of fandom issues, which is an entirely different reason to go spoiler-free. And it's not a psychotic reason, either.

These are my Theories of Spoilerphobes.

Date: 2006-09-13 06:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justalurkr.livejournal.com
Seriously not psychotic.

Date: 2006-09-13 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-monster.livejournal.com
then I think one should seriously consider avoiding all media outlets related to the subject until one has seen the eps. Seriously. Idiocy happens, maliciously or innocently.

Snort! These people should try being from another country that has to wait for the episodes to be shown on their 'carrier'. Either cable or terrestrial. Then they'll know the meaning of pain!
(Let's not have the 'but there are torrents!' discussion please? I'm practising 'deferred gratification' here;))

Then they will just learn that sometimes you see, sometimes you just temporarily unfocus over the EBIL stuff.

Seems to work for me;)

Oh and when does the new series of NCIS start? I know it's soon - just so I can get into practice with the unfocusing again:D

Date: 2006-09-13 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justalurkr.livejournal.com
I believe it cranks up for the new season September 19. Best of luck with the unfocus! :D

The other thing that killed me about that situation? It's not as if the post opened with a key spoiler. I glanced over the first line and stopped before I got to the root diagnosis that would have spoiled the episode.

The people giving her the roughest time made it sound as if she etched the spoilers willy-nilly into their brains, with them helpless in the face of the onslaught.

Date: 2006-09-14 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nialla42.livejournal.com
But I had to read the whole post!!!!

Date: 2006-09-14 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justalurkr.livejournal.com
So, you were tied up and...wait. You'd probably enjoy that, especially if House or Wilson were involved. [facepalm]

Date: 2006-09-14 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-monster.livejournal.com
The other thing that killed me about that situation? It's not as if the post opened with a key spoiler. I glanced over the first line and stopped before I got to the root diagnosis that would have spoiled the episode.

Oh PULEASE! Flaming for even breathing a word about the new episode?! To use medical parlance for a moment 'Reality Check... STAT!'

I'm lucky with with unfocusing thing. Most people will give fair warning about spoilers etc - on lj they're under cuts - it's just that if you reply to someone' msg... unfocusing is your friend!

Date: 2006-09-13 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amycooper.livejournal.com
Years and years ago (okay, like 8) I took my first step into fandom. I had lurk for a short period of time and thought of something I could do that, at the time, I thought was all cool and witty.

It wasn't. Looking back, I totally understand I made a complete faux pas. However I felt so crushed and hurt by the backlash and the comments I got, I never went back into that fandom. Still enjoy that show and all, but eep!

The fact was back then I was a newbie and had really no clue. I meant absolutely no harm. I still think they came down too hard on me for that reason. :(

Date: 2006-09-13 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justalurkr.livejournal.com
[hugs you]

I seriously don't get what it is about a faux pas (no matter how egregious) that switches off normal controls in people on the internet. Mistake or, really, even willful rule-breaking, should not equal license to ignore "no flaming" rules. It's mob mentality at its ugliest.

Date: 2006-09-13 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amycooper.livejournal.com
(((hugs back)))

Don't worry too much. As you can see, I eventually found my happy place. :D

Date: 2006-09-14 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nialla42.livejournal.com
Seriously. Idiocy happens, maliciously or innocently.

Amen to that. Which is why the list rules of just about every e-list I've ever run includes a disclaimer. Basically says "we have spoiler rules, but rules are made to be broken, so read at your own risk."

I've also discovered that some people have become hypersensitive to spoilers in recent years. Used to be a simple one-sentence TV Guide-type summary was fine to post, but now some think even that's a spoiler of epic proportions. They don't want to know anything about the episode, not even what's in the TV Guide, and will have a stroke if you break that rule.

I got a wee bit roasted back when Browder joined the cast of SG-1. I posted about it and some went nuts over the "spoiler." Um... hello, it's about a new cast member and doesn't tell you anything about the upcoming episodes beyond that person's addition. And it's not like you're not going to be seeing it in every media outlet very shortly after the fannish announcements.

But when Black joined the cast, someone else was posting it without the mods going psycho. Me being a pushy bitch, I asked why not and was told that apparently certain mods that were overly sensitive to spoilers were no longer mods. So even the definition of a spoiler can change in less than a year.

Date: 2006-09-14 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-monster.livejournal.com
I have a very simple definition of spoiler.

If it's been announced by the Shows TPTB - then it ain't a spoiler! Such as the return of a certain 51st Century guy to DW. Everybody knows about that and it will be trumpeted all over the place.

What gets on my nerves is the attitude that some have (not you my dear, which makes me sound like Ducky... which is nice!;)) in that because something has been aired in one country (regardless of timezones)... it's fair game.

Um... NO! Despite what some media organisations might believe - the world is a bigger place than just the US. Regardless of what Dubya might think;)

Me being a pushy bitch
Gee... last time I checked, that was called 'being a librarian'!

Date: 2006-09-14 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nialla42.livejournal.com
If it's been announced by the Shows TPTB - then it ain't a spoiler!

There are even folks who won't watch the preview for the next week's episode because they'll be "spoiled" for an episode. Um. Say what? Do they close their eyes and wear earplugs when movie trailers are showing in the theater?

I think being on the internet has created the idea that any speck of info regarding a show is now considered a spoiler, when previously no one would have given it a second thought.

I think some Americans are starting to get a little hint of what it's like to be behind in a discussion, with BSG starting in the UK before the US for the miniseries, often being a week or so behind for part of the Stargate season, not to mention Doctor Who.

Many Americans just got their first taste of Who, and fans in the UK and Canada have already seen all of the second season. It will be starting in October here, so it's not as much of a lag as there was with the first season, but still, Americans relying on Sci Fi are behind the times.

Date: 2006-09-14 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justalurkr.livejournal.com
Some of us, of course, rely on the instability of the Internet Truck and the kindness of geeks with really fast connections. ;)

[makes note]

Date: 2006-09-14 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justalurkr.livejournal.com
So, in addition to the infogene, we have the pushygene?


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